Journal Assignment 7
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October 21, 2009, 1:09 pm
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According to Wright, what is the meaning of ‘messiah’ in Jesus’ day? How would Jesus’ contemporaries have understood this title? What difference, if any, does this make for our understanding of Jesus’ identity?
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As explained by Wright, the term messiah was used in Jesus’ day to refer to the ONE that would bring about the, so to speak, second exodus of Israel and save them from their oppressors. Those surrounding Jesus understood this event to be a violent overthrowing of the Roman government officials. Therefore, if Jesus ever claimed to be the messiah, the Jews living at that time would have placed enormous pressure on Him to take His rightful place as King of the Jews and to catalyze the overthrow of the Romans. To take things a step further, it could be that even Jesus himself also possessed this view of what the messiah would look like, since no one living at that time cared to offer any other alternatives. If we allow this, the identity of Jesus changes from that of a sovereign God-Man carrying out His own will, to that of a humble servant-leader submitting to the will of His God. Many have conjectured that Jesus was not sure if He was the messiah and the Son of God until the resurrection. God the Son, Who existed eternally with God, fully incarnated Himself on this Earth in order to redeem every conceivable part of humanity. 206
Comment by Isaac Tyson October 25, 2009 @ 7:30 pmN. T. Wright says that the word “messiah” had nothing to do with trinitarian or incarnational theology. Finding out what this meant and who Jesus was “for [his] followers meant finding out who Jesus was in his historical context.” In doing so, they discover “their own task within their own contents.” The messiah’s task was ultimately to conquer evil and to liberate Israel from oppression. Jesus’ contemporaries might have understood Jesus as messiah as they would any other prophet in those days. Jesus, like the other messianic figures, believed “that Israel’s God was acting through him and his movement [was] to do for Israel at last what die prophets had promised.” In essence, they might have viewed Jesus as any other contemporary prophet of the time. Others in his time would see Jesus as one to call all “to turn in the subversive way of peace” and that failure to do this “would result in ruin.” It is possible that people would have seen the character of the messiah in Jesus. His ministry “constantly invoked Isaiah 40-55, in which YHWH returns to Zion, defeats Babylon, and liberates Israel from her exile.” I think what this does for our understanding of Jesus is that it gives us a completely new perspective on what the word “messiah” actually meant. To us, the word is defined as the One to save all of humanity and to do many other things. Jesus did more than that; he would conquer evil and redefine the task of the messiah. 253
Comment by Mark Reyes October 25, 2009 @ 8:02 pmWright defines ‘messiah’ as the one through whom Yahweh would restore the fortunes of his people. Jesus saw the Great Tribulation, the Messianic Woes, coming upon Israel and believed himself called, like the martyrs, to go ahead of Israel and take them upon himself. “The word ‘messiah’ had nothing to do with trinitarian theology.” Much of Jesus’ contemporaries on either side of his life saw people whom they thought were the ones to come in a Davidic style of rulership. They would have understood God’s “Anointed One” as the one that would have militarily defeated the Roman empire and bring Israel into political freedom from oppression, and thus becoming its king. Then this “return from exile” as told by prophets would yield Yahweh’s coming to Zion (hence why Simon and Athronges, Menahem, and Simeon ben Kosiba) were all hailed as “messiahs.” As in regards to Jesus however, it names Jesus as Israel’s representative that is able to bear its sin and bring forgiveness of sins—the end of exile. Jesus, Israel’s representative, he deliberately went to the place where that suppression found its symbolic focus. He drew his counter-Temple movement to a climax in Passover week, believing that as he went to his death Israel’s God was doing for Israel (and hence for the world) what Israel as a whole could not do. And it is through this that Paul himself is able to redefine this restoring the fortunes of God’s people to include, not just national Israel, but all people who are “in Christ” so that all people do not have to live in exile of their sin but can live in the Spirit which Christ’s actions allowed. Still, it does go point out that our understanding of “messiah” cannot be reached on Scriptural accounts alone, we have to have the creeds and the tradition passed down through the church’s history. 312
Comment by Justin Begnoche October 25, 2009 @ 8:26 pmThe meaning of “Messiah” according N T Wright is dealing with God restoring treasure and fortune unto his people. This was also because of God’s plan from the beginning of time. One will also have to look at the historical context to get an accurate account of Jesus as the Messiah. As one look at the first Exodus in the Old Testament, one will be able to see that Wright describes the Messiah as the 2nd Exodus. This is the event that would ultimately be the Passover of the New Testament. The understanding of Jesus being the Passover is to relate to the truth of :death shall Passover those who have received what Jesus had done“. There also was the understanding that the Messiah had nothing to do with Trinitarian theology. The Messiah in that particular time had been seen as the one who would deliver the people of God from Roman oppression. This was the ideal and belief of the children of Israel based on the Messianic prophesies. As the Messiah was revealed through time, some understood that He had come to set people free from the oppression of sin and death. One will be able to see God’s salvation plan through Jesus as the Messiah. Israel had been waiting for one thing, but God had something more greater in mind. This is to say that God extended salvation to all humanity. Salvation was not just for deliverance from a physical oppressor, but the spiritual oppression of the enemy (satan).
Comment by Steven Herron October 26, 2009 @ 11:22 am-251 words
According to Wright, the Messiah was not understood by Jesus nor his contemporaries to be the Second Person of the Trinity. Rather, the Messiah was to be the individual through whom the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob—the God who brought Israel out of Egypt—restored His people Israel as a nation. This was therefore commonly understood as a military endeavor. The Messiah would come to free Israel from its contemporary Egypt: Roman rule and oppression. The land promised to Israel would be granted her and the people of God would live again under the provision of God and his appointed ruler/liberator, the Messiah. According to Wright, if Christ thought of himself as Messiah, it was in this contemporary Jewish vein of thought. Wright seems to have little unction to say that Christ thought of Himself as the Second Person of the Trinity. Instead, Wright makes more sense “as a historian” of Christ considering Himself the chosen redeemer of Israel. He likely would not have anticipated His own death—at least initially. The Messiah was not expected to die, but to rule in power and authority. Resurrection from the dead into glorified body was certainly not in the handbook. This therefore puts a more poignant, intimate and ethnic specificity to Christ’s personhood on earth. While God and man, he needed not know that he was one man with two natures. Regardless, His life was marked by the character of God the Son—submission to the Father. However, His identity was not fully revealed to Him likely either till resurrection or ascension. Wright may then likely contend that we hold the same hope.
Comment by Joshua Rio October 28, 2009 @ 1:10 amWright states that, “Jesus believed he was Israel’s messiah, the one through whom YHWH would restore the fortunes of his people. The word “messiah” had, of course, nothing to do with trinitarian or incarnational theology. Simon and Athronges had been hailed as messiahs when Jesus was a boy. The Sicarii regarded Menahem as messiah until a rival group killed him. Simeon ben Kosiba was hailed by Akiba as “son of the star.” Presumably, they all regarded themselves as messiah. People in out world today mostly do not think like that, but Jesus was a first century Jew and not a twentieth-century liberal. Anyone doing and saying what Jesus did and said must have faced the question? Will I be the one through whom the liberation will come? All of the evidence—not least the Temple-action and the title on the cross—suggests that Jesus answered, ‘Yes.’” This should make the understanding of Jesus clearer because of the background information on ‘messiahs’ in his day. Messiah is someone who will restore Israel to her rightful throne. The difference from what Jesus did and what was expected of him shows how it needs to be made his identity as King and true Messiah.
Comment by Heidi Szyntar October 28, 2009 @ 12:25 pmAccording to Wright, messiah in Jesus day meant the one who would save and free Israel from oppression. Israel was under great oppression and a messiah was needed to free them. There is no trinity and incarnational theology. There is no view of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Also, the messiah would be the one to conquer evil. Lastly, there would be a second exodus. This second exodus would result in the second Passover. This would mean that death would pass over those who receive Jesus and what He has done.
Comment by Timothy Regan October 28, 2009 @ 12:59 pmJesus contemptories viewed Jesus as any other prophet. The people in Jesus’ days saw other people who they thought were the messiah. The people in Jesus’ days understood the messiah as more of a military and political figure. They viewed the messiah as the one who would defeat the Roman Empire. That is what they wanted and thought the messiah would be capable of and something they thought the messiah should do. With that, they thought that the messiah would be the one to free Israel. After freeing Israel they thought that He would become the King.
What difference if any does this make of our understanding of Jesus’ identity? It shows that the people of Israel had something in mind, God had something greater for everyone. Jesus is more concerned about spiritual freedom of sin and defeat of Satan. This however makes me wonder about the second exodus, because I am still going to die. (248)
According to Wright, within Jesus’ day and context, the word “Messiah” held a very different connotation than it does today in Christian circles. To be waiting for the Messiah, in the time of Jesus, meant awaiting a leader who would deliver Israel from it’s oppressive Roman rule and, therefore, bring the people out of their exile. Such deliverance was thought and expected to be violent in nature. However, Jesus’ role as the Messiah was one that fulfilled the prophecies of the Old Testament prophets in an unexpected way. With the understanding of Messiah in Jesus’ day, one can have a better understanding of who Jesus was and can make better sense of his experience. Whether Jesus thought himself to be the Messiah is unknown, however one can deduce that he knew that he was called by God to bring redemption and answers to the questions of his people. Considering the contextual understanding of the word “Messiah,” might help us better understand the sort of temptations and pressures Jesus was put under by his society. Whether it was his temptations in the wilderness, in the garden, or everyday surrounded by people wanting a militaristic move, we can better understand the steadfast devotion of Jesus’ will to that of the Father’s. Simply put, it would have been very easy for Jesus to try and fill the role of Messiah as the people of his culture and context saw the word to mean, but instead he stood in the Father’s will resulting in his own torturous death.
Comment by Michael Rowley October 28, 2009 @ 3:36 pm(254)
For the most part, first century eschatological prophets were viewed as messianic figures who believed that God was acting through them to fulfill His promise to Israel. Likewise, N.T. Wright describes Jesus as an eschatological prophet as opposed to a religious reformer. According to Wright, he agrees with Albert Schweitzer that Jesus did not expect the end of the world. However, In Jesus’s day, there were many Jews who presumably regarded themselves as messiah. Since His message constantly warned that Israel’s national ideology would lead to ruthless Roman suppression, Jesus believed that through Him, God would do for Israel what they themselves could not. In short, Jesus’s journey to Jerusalem was had him going there to die. All in all, N.T. Wright claims that the temple and YHWH’s return to Zion are the keys to gospel Christology. Instead of attempting to see Jesus as conscious of being the second person of the Trinity, Wright encourages us to simply view Jesus as a young Jewish prophet telling a story about YHWH returning to Zion as judge and redeemer, and then embodying it by riding into the city in tears, by symbolizing the Temple’s destruction, and by celebrating the final Exodus. In doing so, Wright simply hopes to correct our lofty, detached and oppressive view of God.
Comment by yelisey kuts October 28, 2009 @ 6:03 pmThe meaning of Messiah in Jesus ‘day is the return of the one (YHWH) the one who will free them from all the bondages of their enemies.According to N. T. Right from the statement of E. p. Sanders Jesus was not a religious reformer but an eschatological prophet like other first century-century eschatological prophets- and messianic or quasi-messianic figures. Jesus exemplified the praxis of a prophet. He was known as a prophet; he spoke of himself as a prophet. He was both an oracular prophet and a leadership prophet. His movement grew out of that of John the Baptist. Since he did not attempt to raise any revolution against Rome which his contemporary view as the enemy of Israel they did not understand that he was the messiah because the meaning they had for the messiah is the one who will overturn the enemy of Israel to bring about the next exile.
Comment by Alessou, Komlan October 28, 2009 @ 10:34 pmOur understanding of Jesus’ identity is the one who overturns the enemy that is sin and brings to us the life God. The difference of our understanding from the understanding of the understanding of the contemporary of Jesus is that they for us, sin is the enemy but for them, either Rome Babylon is the enemy
According to Wright, in Jesus’ day “messiah” pointed to “the one through whom YHWH would restore the fortunes of his people.” As revealed by Peter’s response to Jesus’ foretold suffering, His contemporaries understood the “messiah” as one whose victory would be characterized by something other than suffering and death. They like many believers may have had the idea that the one who would come would have complete knowledge of his impending plight or overcome by much more natural/ cultural manner than actually resulted. If anything this revelation should encourage those who seek to follow the rise Christ to do so humbly, recognizing that our wisdom may only reveal a certain but not final measure of the steps that lay ahead. May this sober His disciples to the reality that His purposes are greater than our understanding of them, though God desires for us to comprehend Him as much as possible, and His results far superior than our suffering/ striving in Him toward them. If Jesus was a man who did not possess a complete understanding of His vocation but still willingly pushed forward – then we too, co-builders with Him are also made capable to follow in His footsteps.
Comment by Sean H October 29, 2009 @ 1:56 pm198
N.T. Wright states that the original meaning of the word “Messiah” was different then how it is understood today. In today’s time, individuals understand “Messiah” through the glasses of post-Christ, 21st century lenses. Whereas the Israelites would have understood “Messiah” through the glasses of post-Exodus, pre-Resurrection lenses. This, in turn, changes the meaning of Messiah from “Jesus”— as it is understood in today’s time— to a forceful liberation which was the event of the Exodus. Many Jews believed that the Messiah would liberate them from the oppression of the Roman Empire much like what was done through Moses under the Egyptian oppression. One key distinction that should be pointed out is that the Israelites (most likely) did not understand the Messiah to be YHWH; instead they probably were expecting a prophet. Also, the majority of the sects within Judaism were expecting a sort of “zealot” liberator; someone who would take over the Jews and be their king in a new “promise land.” This is why no one really thought of Jesus as the Messiah. Jesus’ messages were peaceful, he was a rabbi not a military or government man, and he did not try to overtake the Roman Empire. Weather Jesus understood himself to be the Messiah or not is still debatable, but in either case this is why Jesus does not proclaim to be the Messiah. If in fact Jesus had proclaimed himself to be the Messiah the government would have crucified him long before they had. This is why the Jews could only see Jesus as the Messiah after the Resurrection, because before, he was just like any other prophet in their eyes. Though Jesus knew his purpose was great, Jesus himself probably did not understand himself as the Messiah until after his death as well. (297)
Comment by Tara Charlson November 27, 2009 @ 2:01 pmWright explains the Messiah was foretold by the prophets as someone who was going to come as a conquer and deliver Israel out of bondage much like Moses done in Egypt. Jesus contemporaries were looking for a Messiah who was going to over throw the Roman Empire and take them out of bondage. They wanted someone like a military leader who would lead a revolt against Rome. A suffering servant was far from what they were looking for. When Jesus did not come as a conquer He was viewed as another prophet and was discredited as the Messiah. Being Christians of our time we can look back and see that Jesus was indeed the Messiah. Since we get the whole story our view should not be tainted like the Israelites. Our understanding should be that Jesus did come to deliver and set free but not from the hands of the Romans. Jesus came to set the Israelites free from sin and the bondage created by them selves which was greater than any bondage that the Romans could inflict. We as Christians today should hold this same view. There are still those in our time who see Jesus as a conquer and think once they except Jesus in their lives that every bad thing of life will be eradicated. We should see Christ for who He truly is now that we have the whole story but that is not always the case.
Comment by Micah Fry November 27, 2009 @ 6:01 pmToday we think of the word messiah in a very different light then people did in Jesus’ day. N. T. Wright defines Messiah as “The one through whom YHWH would restore the fortunes of His people.” To us when we read such a statement we take the phrase “His people” to mean all of humanity. But in Jesus’ circle this would be limited to only jews, excluding all gentiles. The people then had a very different expectation for how the Messiah would “restore the fortunes”. First century jews were naturally expecting God to establish his kingdom the way any other kingdom is established. They would expect the Messiah to establish his rule and reign by physical force. This is the only example they had to go by. When Jesus is killed by the government they believe He is supposed to over through, this is a problem for his followers. Messiah’s aren’t supposed to die. Messiah’s don’t give there lives for there enemies. This shows how differently God operates than we expect.
Comment by Trent Ekblad November 30, 2009 @ 10:14 amBoth Aquinas and Calvin argue that God has an active role within Creation, hence the notion of Providence. They argue quite strongly that God did not just create all of Creation and than leave it alone to its own devices. They differ in their views as to how He interacts with Creation. Aquinas tends to present the providence of God in a view of divine ordering, as if He sets things up to go in certain of events. God in sense creates everything in a way that will have them behave in a certain way, thus leading them to do things according to His will. Calvin on the other hand believes that God has an active hand within Creation, directly affecting various individuals according to His own will. If I understand each person’s view correctly, I would have to agree with Calvin’s view of providence in that God does have an active hand in Creation. To think of God as the One Who only sets things up to occur a certain way seems to override the factor of human will whereas Calvin’s seem to accommodate for that.
Comment by Cory Murashige December 2, 2009 @ 8:15 pm