Systematic Theology 1


Journal Assignment 8
October 25, 2009, 12:54 pm
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How do Gunton and Williams treat the Gospel accounts of Jesus’ life?  Do they allow each of the Evangelists to speak with his own voice? Do they attempt to harmonize the accounts? Do they attempt to get behind the texts to some ‘historical Jesus’? Do you think they read the Gospels rightly?


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Gunton identifies the Gospel accounts as filling “in the narrative details underlying [Philippians 2:5-11]” (Gunton, 81). Gunton seems to line up with the belief that the Gospels all have a certain theological perspective, but they all depict what life was like for Jesus as human. To Williams, he seems to take the same approach as Gunton in saying that each of the Gospels describes Jesus in a unique way. He appears to combine each of the Gospels when talking about Jesus because, “the Jesus we meet in the Gospels is someone who prays, who speaks of putting his will and his decisions at the service of his Father” (Williams, 65). Each of the evangelists do have their own voice, but each voice is joined together to make up the character and life of Jesus Christ. Both seem to also steer away from going with the idea of a strictly “historical Jesus.” They tend to bring out what each of the evangelists said. Yet, even what the evangelists say as written in the creeds, Gunton says, is where “the problem for the modern world lies…in the very concept and nature of dogma” (91). I think they both read the Gospels rightly because they take into account other possible explanations for why the Gospels bring out certain characteristics of Jesus. Through each of these accounts, Williams says, one knows that “Jesus is a human being in whom God’s action is at work without interruption or impediment” (Williams, 65). Each of the Gospels tells one about Jesus and all speak with one voice. 260

Comment by Mark Reyes

Gunton treats the Gospel accounts with respect to the accounts of Jesus as well as the authors who are depicting the story, on page 103 noting, “Throughout the narratives, we are shown a man who is led by the Spirit, and we learn much about the shape of that leading in the episode, contained in all the Gospels, of Jesus’ baptism by John the Baptist.” He says that all four of the Gospels give us a “satisfactory account” of Jesus’ humanity and career. Gunton goes on to say that each of the Disciples does use their own voice, and depicting Jesus as the saw Him while somehow linking their Gospel to the others’. Gunton uses many citations of all the Gospels in an attempt to display the “historical Jesus.” Gunton reads the Gospels correctly because he notices and the eschatological implementations that are made by the Gospel and supports them.
Williams takes a different approach on the Gospels. He is more about being God’s people than the personhood of Jesus. Williams looks at Jesus as Son of God and His divinity. He does not give any interpretation into the authors’ accounts. Williams does not go into textual evidence for his writing but relys more on the creeds for interpretation of Jesus. Its apparent that he really loves Jesus, but I do not think he is reading the Gospels correctly.

Comment by Heidi Szyntar

Gunton correctly asserts that there is no single uniformity but that tension is beneficial depending on the uniformity that would be sought. He claims that, “the relation of God to the world, though that of one God (in this case in Jesus), is realized in a rich variety of acts and forms” (84). He also recognizes that it is the whole story, and not any single part of it as depicted by any author by which the Father’s saving action is affected. He does not attempt to combine the two, blending what is found in one to the others in which it is not found and vice versa. Rather, it appears he lets each evangelist have his own distinct sound that come together to play different pieces in the orchestra of Jesus’ life. On the other hand, Williams is slightly hard to pinpoint in his intent/interaction. He does acknowledge that “awkwardly and slowly and with muchcomplication and even apparent contradiction, the New Testament (writers) moves towards the extraordinary notion that the Creator of the universe is at work” (62), supporting (I suppose) the notion that the Gospels are to be read separately in their distinct messages to present the one Jesus. However, it seems that he does not attempt to get to a “historical Jesus,” instead discussing the 2nd person of the Trinitarian / Son of God nature of Jesus’ life. He acknowledges that one must look for the “historical” outside the creeds to the Gospels but just does not seem to do so himself. 255

Comment by Justin Begnoche

Gunton emphasizes the differences in the Gospels as being key in depicting the human life of Jesus as divine action for the salvation of the world. He does not see a need to attempt to blend the gospels together like others have in the past, and almost disregards the concern for finding the “true” historical Jesus. “Whether or not such words were actually on the lips of Jesus—and who knows?—they are there to indicate Matthew’s estimation of his significance.” (82) Williams seems to also hold to the view of keeping all of the Gospels distinct because then and only then will we be able to see the true Jesus. He states “awkwardly and slowly and with much complication and even apparent contradiction, the New Testament moves towards the extraordinary notion that the Creator of the universe is at work” (62). One important fact that is drawn from this statement is that any perceived contradiction found in the scripture is just that perceived and not truly a contradiction. Second is that all of the things we see are a testament to the Creator of the universe at work. This implies that particularly the Gospels shine light and understanding on the work that the Creator is doing in the world.

Comment by Matt Stevens

Williams suggests that in order for us to understand Jesus, we must first look “at an area about which the creeds don’t have much to say – the actual work of Jesus in his lifetime as the four Gospels present it to us. (58)” Throughout this chapter, Williams refers to the gospel accounts and other books in the New Testament to illustrate the life of Christ, and His purpose in terms of the historical world. He portrays Christ as one who redefines what it meant to belong to God’s people and we should thereby read the Gospels with this in mind. However, Williams believes that the writers of the New Testament tend to use extravagant language in reference to Christ. He argues that there was much speculation regarding angelic powers during this time period – some of which is blatantly evident in the “Letter to Hebrews as well as in Paul’s letters and John’s Revelation. (62)” I don’t think that Williams necessarily harmonizes the Gospel accounts but instead uses each to get a full or complete understanding of Jesus. He constantly includes the writings of other New Testament authors in order to better inform his understanding. It seems that both Jenson and Williams treat the Gospel accounts with respect. Even still, there is a sense in which it seems that aren’t entirely convinced that what the Gospel writers had to say about Jesus was entirely relevant, without contradiction and exaggeration.

Comment by yelisey

Both Williams and Gunton appear to approach the Gospels with a similar system in mind. They both assume the Gospels to not be a “historical” picture of Christ, but instead, a theological understanding of the human Jesus. However, they both seem to agree that such a theological understanding of Jesus doesn’t negate some historical truths about his life. They both believe that each Gospel is necessary, and only through each of the authors’ theological ideas can the reader fully understand who Jesus was as a human. They do not, like some Christians, attempt to harmonize the different Gospel accounts in order to make each of them historically accurate.
I believe that this is a proper way to approach the study of Jesus through the eyes of the Gospels. We must approach these documents with the intent of the authors in mind: To present theological ideas of Jesus as the Christ to different people groups.

Comment by Michael Rowley

Gunton and Williams are both keenly aware of the need to read Scripture—the Gospels included—creedally. Gunton states this explicitly; Williams structures his entire introduction to the Christian belied around the creedal confessions, and therefore implicates this same idea fairly strongly in his own right. This week’s assigned reading in Williams’ Tokens presents specific points of harmony within the Gospels, but not in such a way that Williams is presenting a need to find an overarching harmony; that is, Williams isn’t attempting to in any way indicate that the three synoptics may as well be one, with John as an esoteric other. Rather, as further reading in Williams’ text indicates (125), Williams holds that the Gospel accounts present us with what God wants us to know in order for us to be “inspired” by the Spirit of God, while in the presence and guidance of the Church, to have the person of Christ at the center of our minds and hearts: “It is still true that contradictions of detail between different Gospels are not the end of the world; they tell us what God wants us (the Church Body) to know.”
Gunton likewise does not find the Gospel incongruities as troubling. He writes of the Gospels as giving narrative substance backing the creedal confessions. They are providing narratives giving, in specific contexts for specific purposes, the outworking of the Church’s developing understanding of who Jesus the Christ is and what the significance of his career is. Resultantly, when Gunton refers to the evangelists, whether in pairs or group or individual, it is not out of need for an unwieldy cohesive whole; rather, each is to be taken respectively, which sometimes matches more prettily than others.

Comment by Joshua Rio

One thing is for sure, the two writers definitely do not let each gospel have its voice. They are both too busy with bringing up different aspects or points to describe different abstract thoughts. I think that if anything they are trying to get at some historical Jesus (I’m not exactly sure as to what is meant by Historical Jesus), a Jesus that many have viewed him to be wrongly. As I have read it also seems that they have more harmonized the gospels. Although Gunton does at one point start to make a distinction between the gospel of John and the others, but it is more of a surface distinction and then he moves on. Overall though I do think that the two writers are reading the gospels rightly, because their ultimate arguments about who Jesus really was as fully God and fully man are pretty much right on with that which I have been learning and what I believe. Williams describes it as Jesus being divine and responding to the father as a human being with “a perfect response that is both human and more than human” (66). Gunton says it this way “the eternal Son of God empties himself by adding humanity to his being, in obedience to the father…” (96). Both of the authors refer to Philippians 2 in their discourse and I believe that they are right on with their observations. Jesus Christ was fully diving, but at the same time in being fully divine as God he was absolutely human. This is a very dynamic concept, yet moving and inspiring.

Comment by Aaron Johnson

Williams suggests that each Gospel presents us with a portrait of Christ as the Gospel writers intended them to be. Like williams, Gunton believed that each gospel stressed similar topics concerning the Kingdom of God being ever present and how Christ emphasized that to be in the Kingdom of God (eschatological and present) you must live in the company of Jesus and trust what He said of God. Jews in Jesus’ day were concerned with who truly was a member of God’s people when God’s rule was fully established. They believed that you had to accomplish certain demands or obey the law to detail in order to be counted among this class. Christ, through what is presented in the Gospels, redefines what it means to be God’s people. To be counted is to accept Christ’s promise and invitation of salvation. Williams defines the historical Jesus through the relationship’s He had with people and the message He brought. This message would be violent against the ears of those around Him. His claim to speak on behalf of God and His desire to create a new people of God was nothing short of daring. Furthermore, Williams states that the Gospel writers include comments from the people around Him such as “Who is this that even the winds and seas obey Him?” The Gospel writers, although using deferent themes, set up a story in which a seemingly ordinary man is in actuality the life which changes our views of who God is, how He works and what He thinks about us.

Comment by Michelle Williams

As we see with Williams, he paints a portrait of Christ as seen through the various Gospel accounts. This is to say that he saw the Gospels in light of different characteristics, depending on the author. There are also Creedal writing that is presented. There was not harmonizing being seen within the text, in as much as it may be. This is the opinion of Williams. Williams believes that one will still get what is needed because of the writing. There is also a purpose in history that is seen. Gunter sees that there are differences in the Gospels. This is saying that there is harmony, but there is a different presentation. There is also tension that can be beneficial, but it depends on the conformity. There are also citations that will point to the history of Jesus. Both writers bring out significant facts that describe Jesus. There is no contradiction and all that was written in the Gospels were accurate. This is a belief of both Williams and Gunter. Gunter and Williams both had valid points for the most part. This is to say that there writings on the Gospels were accurate. The evangelist description between the two of the writers is similar. They both feel that each Gospel has its distinct mark on story of Jesus. Each Gospel has an unique sound that comes out different from the other one. With this in mind, Williams and Gunter look to the facts that even though they are not completely harmonize. They contribute greatly to the understanding of the person of Jesus Christ.

Comment by Steven Herron

Both Gunton and Williams seek to utilize the accounts of the individual Evangelists in order to reveal the truest picture of Jesus – however, not without the reality of conflict in the details. Though the interpretations may not seamlessly fit together, Gunton implores that we avoid at all cost the mistake of reflecting our own agendas in our desire to gain clarity concerning the personhood of Jesus. Continuing, he explores the creedal and narrative aspects of the life of Jesus; which can only be expected from the work of a God whose reality is wholly other than that which He works to make right the disruption of sin through His son in ours – with its characteristics of time and space. Gunton also stresses the importance of the whole “career” of Jesus; beginning with His “birth to Mary, ministry, passion, resurrection, ascension, and return in glory.” (84) Interestingly, both authors seek not only to avoid the blunder of cutting and pasting Scripture to avail the “real” Jesus – in fact both express as well as expose the conflict. Gunton speaks of the gospels, “each has its own theological perspective and stress, but all depict the human life of Jesus as divine action for the salvation of the world.” (82) If nothing else, from these two accounts we may proclaim that “Christian teaching is not static; it’s always trying to learn from the last set of mistakes” in order to reveal more clearly the “two sorts of life, one of them unconditionally powerful, one utterly vulnerable, but lived inseparably in one person.” (Williams 72) As per my current position in my journey with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, I would have to say this is by the far the best manner by which it seems we may pursue the reality of Jesus; that each Evangelist intentionally and purposefully has their own voice by which we must seek the wisdom of the Father from prayerfully in order that the Truth may be revealed. (329)

Comment by Sean H

Jesus the Christ died “for us and for our salvation.” Williams is often deliberate about acknowledging what is difficult or impossible to explain. In Tokens he first presents common language for explaining what Christ’s death was—a sacrifice, a ransom—but then hurries to what he considers the most germane point: it was “for us and for our salvation.” Having said this, Williams specifies that it is improper to think of Jesus’ death as God’s implacable wrath being wrung dry on the Son; the crucifixion is not the result of God’s vindictiveness or inflexibility. Williams holds to the marked contextuality of Jesus’ death. It is tailored to the specific salvation man needs. It is therefore a necessary death; not necessary because of the stringent, unyielding Father, but because of the particular condition of world and its (self-righteously vindictive) sin. “In the kind of world you and I inhabit, the kind of world that you and I make or collude with, this is what the price of unrestricted love looks like,” (88).
The above quote segues into how Jesus’ death affects God’s purpose for creation. Williams—in this work and others—places wet-sandbag weight on the freedom of God and the freedom God enables for His creation by working both through and over-against it. He is an impetus. He is an improvisor—one who is consistently making way for occasion and revealing Himself through occasion. The Father indeed intends freedom for creation, but the sort of freedom that He Himself experiences. He therefore also intends to bring them into the life of unrestricted Trinitarian love. This love is relentless, and relentlessly works to make peace—peace between man and God, peace between man and man. Christ’s death—leading the triumphal Resurrection, which must remain in view for a proper understanding of all this—is the action of Christ enduring our sin, suffering our sin to the point of exploring the depths of human experience and sorrow, even dereliction. He descended—and then, importantly, ascended—that He might fill all things and that therefore neither death nor deathly life would escape God’s relentless love. By his death, therefore, God’s purpose of reconciliation with creation, and the creation’s proper love and relationship with its creator—love in liberty—might be set on course

Comment by Sarah Meyer

Both Gunton and Williams view the gospels with a theological mindset rather than a historical mindset. Gunton and Williams see that each of the gospels use a theological understanding of who Jesus, the human, was; instead of trying to match up each of the events historically, though both these scholars do not disregard the historical importance of the events. However, the difference between understanding the gospels as theological with some historical events instead of viewing the gospels as historical with theological meaning is that one does not try to harmonize the gospels with one another, which the authors of the gospels had no intent on doing in the first place. Gunton and Williams believe that it takes all of the gospels to theologically understand Jesus as a human and each gospel brings out a unique theological understanding of Jesus without trying to harmonize the gospels.
I believe this is the correct way to view the gospels because when one tries to read the gospels historically they will end up creating problems that ought not to be there. This isn’t to say that these events in the gospels are false, because I believe that they did indeed happen. It is my opinion however, that it was not the goal of the authors to create a time line of Jesus’ life, but rather to help readers understand who Jesus was as a person. The events that are recorded in the gospels are to help show the fulfilling of the prophecies, and to help act out the type of character that Jesus had as a human. (263)

Comment by Tara Charlson

Gunton definitely identifies the gospels as theological books rather than historical. He acknowledges the fact that each book is written by a different author and that because of this each book may have a different theological purpose. He also acknowledges that a reasonable amount of “history” in these books but does not lean heavily on this. Above all he believes the gospels to be theological rather than historical. Gunton addresses differences in the gospels as being critical to the depiction of Jesus. A variety of sources provides a different set of eyes in which we can see Jesus.
Williams seems to be along the same line of thought when it comes to the harmonization of the Gospels. He believes that the distinctions found between the gospels are one of their strengths. Williams goes so far as to say that the contradictions found in the Gospels are not contradictions at all. I believe the both of them are reading the gospels correctly.

Comment by Trent Ekblad




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